Help
  • Explore Community
  • Get Started
  • Ask the Community
  • How-To & Best Practices
  • Contact Support
Notifications
Login / Register
Community
Community
Notifications
close
  • Forums
  • Knowledge Center
  • Events & Webinars
  • Ideas
  • Blogs
Help
Help
  • Explore Community
  • Get Started
  • Ask the Community
  • How-To & Best Practices
  • Contact Support
Login / Register
Sustainability
Sustainability

Join our "Ask Me About" community webinar on May 20th at 9 AM CET and 5 PM CET to explore cybersecurity and monitoring for Data Center and edge IT. Learn about market trends, cutting-edge technologies, and best practices from industry experts.
Register and secure your Critical IT infrastructure

PM8000 harmonic alarm configuration with ION Setup for frequency variations at +- 1.75 Hz of 50Hz where the required pickup time is <300ms.

Metering & Power Quality

Schneider Electric support forum about Power Meters (ION, PowerTag, PowerLogic) and Power Quality from design, implementation to troubleshooting and more.

cancel
Turn on suggestions
Auto-suggest helps you quickly narrow down your search results by suggesting possible matches as you type.
Showing results for 
Show  only  | Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
  • Home
  • Schneider Electric Community
  • EcoStruxure Power & Grid
  • Metering & Power Quality
  • PM8000 harmonic alarm configuration with ION Setup for frequency variations at +- 1.75 Hz of 50Hz where the required pickup t...
Options
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Mark Topic as New
  • Mark Topic as Read
  • Float this Topic for Current User
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Printer Friendly Page
Invite a Co-worker
Send a co-worker an invite to the portal.Just enter their email address and we'll connect them to register. After joining, they will belong to the same company.
You have entered an invalid email address. Please re-enter the email address.
This co-worker has already been invited to the Exchange portal. Please invite another co-worker.
Please enter email address
Send Invite Cancel
Invitation Sent
Your invitation was sent.Thanks for sharing Exchange with your co-worker.
Send New Invite Close
Top Experts
User Count
Charles_Murison
Picard Charles_Murison Picard
477
Ramasamy_N
Captain Ramasamy_N Captain
113
Robert_Lee
Admiral Robert_Lee Admiral
92
Mehran_Mehrnia
Captain Mehran_Mehrnia Captain
85
View All

Invite a Colleague

Found this content useful? Share it with a Colleague!

Invite a Colleague Invite
Solved Go to Solution
Back to Metering & Power Quality
Solved
Ian_Gichuru
Ian_Gichuru Schneider Alumni (Retired)
Schneider Alumni (Retired)

Posted: ‎2022-07-26 11:01 PM . Last Modified: ‎2022-07-27 10:23 PM

1 Like
5
1965
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-26 11:01 PM

PM8000 harmonic alarm configuration with ION Setup for frequency variations at +- 1.75 Hz of 50Hz where the required pickup time is <300ms.

Hello,

 

I have 2 PM8240 at incomer level, One monitoring Generator backup and one monitoring mains unit.

 

The customer wants the meter to report any Frequency variations at +- 1.75 Hz of 50Hz.

This is then required to raise an alarm on the meter itself and then a subsequent software alarm can be raised on the PME at site.

The required pickup time is <300ms on the meter (less than 300ms).

 

Any idea on how to do this?

 

Best regards, Ian.

Labels
  • Labels:
  • ION Setup
  • ION8000
Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
  • All forum topics
  • Previous Topic
  • Next Topic

Accepted Solutions
DanL
Captain DanL Captain
Captain

Posted: ‎2022-07-27 04:45 PM

0 Likes
3
1926
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-27 04:45 PM

For 50Hz systems, the PM8000 provides gapless harmonic measurements of150 cycles (3s nominal window).
All harmonics readings are the RMS of a 15Hz band over the 150 cycle window (synchronized to the 10minute boundary as specified by IEC61000-4-30). Shorter update intervals for harmonics are not available.

You can use a 1s arithmetic module to monitor 1s frequency to conditionally enable a HarmonicEvaluation (aka HEV) module (or Setpoint, or SignalLimit, etc) that monitors the 3s harmonic readings

See Answer In Context

Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
Replies 5
Charles_Murison
Picard Charles_Murison Picard
Picard

Posted: ‎2022-07-27 11:28 AM

0 Likes
0
1939
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-27 11:28 AM

Hello Ian,

 

To might be able to do this with 2 setpoint modules. I do not have a meter where I can change frequency so I cannot test this.

1 setpoint would be configured for greater than evaluation , one for less than, with the corresponding high and low limits. The sustain On and Off can be configured to give the desired timeframe. Would need to link frequency to the High Speed power meter module. See ION Reference for more details.

 

The relative setpoint module is not able to have the sustain ON be set to fractions of a second.

 

Regards,

Charles

L4 Prime for Advanced metering and Utilities
Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
DanL
Captain DanL Captain
Captain

Posted: ‎2022-07-27 04:45 PM

0 Likes
3
1927
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-27 04:45 PM

For 50Hz systems, the PM8000 provides gapless harmonic measurements of150 cycles (3s nominal window).
All harmonics readings are the RMS of a 15Hz band over the 150 cycle window (synchronized to the 10minute boundary as specified by IEC61000-4-30). Shorter update intervals for harmonics are not available.

You can use a 1s arithmetic module to monitor 1s frequency to conditionally enable a HarmonicEvaluation (aka HEV) module (or Setpoint, or SignalLimit, etc) that monitors the 3s harmonic readings

Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
Ian_Gichuru
Ian_Gichuru Schneider Alumni (Retired)
Schneider Alumni (Retired)

Posted: ‎2022-07-27 10:59 PM

0 Likes
1
1914
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-27 10:59 PM

Thank you @DanL  and @Charles_Murison . 

 

A quick clarification, is it possible to set this to a  pickup time of 300 millisecond or less?

 

Regards,

Ian.

Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
DanL
Captain DanL Captain
Captain

Posted: ‎2022-07-28 03:20 PM

0 Likes
0
1884
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-28 03:20 PM

no, not really.
as I said, the meter only provides results every 150 cycles (nominally every 3 seconds), so configuring a "pickup time" shorter than 3 seconds would not make sense

Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
Ian_Gichuru
Ian_Gichuru Schneider Alumni (Retired)
Schneider Alumni (Retired)

Posted: ‎2022-07-28 10:28 PM

0 Likes
0
1867
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

‎2022-07-28 10:28 PM

Thank you @DanL 

Tags (1)
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply
Preview Exit Preview

never-displayed

You must be signed in to add attachments

never-displayed

 
To The Top!

Forums

  • APC UPS Data Center Backup Solutions
  • EcoStruxure IT
  • EcoStruxure Geo SCADA Expert
  • Metering & Power Quality
  • Schneider Electric Wiser

Knowledge Center

Events & webinars

Ideas

Blogs

Get Started

  • Ask the Community
  • Community Guidelines
  • Community User Guide
  • How-To & Best Practice
  • Experts Leaderboard
  • Contact Support
Brand-Logo
Subscribing is a smart move!
You can subscribe to this board after you log in or create your free account.
Forum-Icon

Create your free account or log in to subscribe to the board - and gain access to more than 10,000+ support articles along with insights from experts and peers.

Register today for FREE

Register Now

Already have an account? Login

Terms & Conditions Privacy Notice Change your Cookie Settings © 2025 Schneider Electric

This is a heading

With achievable small steps, users progress and continually feel satisfaction in task accomplishment.

Usetiful Onboarding Checklist remembers the progress of every user, allowing them to take bite-sized journeys and continue where they left.

of