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Posted: ‎2018-12-20 08:33 AM

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‎2018-12-20 08:33 AM

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Hello everybody,

 

I'm developing a multisite PME with ION7650, the customer is asking me a series of parameters but I haven't found them among the native measurements of the meter or in the standard graphic in PME.

 

The parameters are:

- Displacement power factor (I haven't found it)

- Average PF (I haven't found it)

- Working time of the meter (I haven't found it)

 

 

I would like to know if I have to develop frameworks in designer to have these measurement or if any of them is already present natively in the meter.

 

In addition, I saw:

- Crest factor of I and V : I saw they are available, but they're not present in the standard graphic

- Harmonics until the 63rd: I saw that in the standard graphic harmonics are shown up to the 15th, I need to see more.

 

Should I modify the standard graphics or is there any quicker way to have these parameters displayed?

 

Thanks in advance to whoever's gonna help me!

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Posted: ‎2019-03-04 04:04 PM

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‎2019-03-04 04:04 PM

I'm looking at the (default) ION7650v410 with 7650_FAC-PQ_V4.1.0.0.1 framework

assuming: 4W-WYE volts mode

Displacement PF: My recomendation is to use the fundamental phase angles from the existing HME modules #1 through #6 (3s gapless 4-30 harmonic analysis). In order to compute the 3phase TOTAL displacement PF, you need to also compute the total fundamental powers.

The best implementation I can come up with on the spot uses three new ART modules.

 

   ART40 
InputNameLabelSetup FormulaOutput Label
1HME2 Magnitude 1V2 H1 Mag 3s(S2-S4)*PI/180 
2HME2 Phase 1V2 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3*cos(R1)/1000fund kW2
3HME5 Magnitude 1I2 H1 Mag 3sS1*S3*sin(R1)/1000fund kVAR2
4HME5 Phase 1I2 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3/1000fund kVA2
5HME3 Magnitude 1V3 H1 Mag 3s(S6-S8)*PI/180 
6HME3 Phase 1V3 H1 Ang 3sS5*S7*cos(R5)/1000fund kW3
7HME6 Magnitude 1I3 H1 Mag 3sS5*S7*sin(R5)/1000fund kVAR3
8HME6 Phase 1I3 H1 Ang 3sS5*S7/1000fund kVA3
     
   ART41 
InputNameLabelSetup FormulaOutput Label
1HME1 Magnitude 1V1 H1 Mag 3s(S2-S4)*PI/180 
2HME1 Phase 1V1 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3*cos(R1)/1000fund kW1
3HME4 Magnitude 1I1 H1 Mag 3sS1*S3*sin(R1)/1000fund kVAR1
4HME4 Phase 1I1 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3fund kVA1
5ART40 Result2fund kW2  
6ART40 Result3fund kVAR2R2+S5+S7fund kWtot
7ART40 Result6fund kW3R3+S6+S8fund kVARtot
8ART40 Result7fund kVAR3sqrt(R6*R6+R7*R7)fund kVAtot
     
   ART42 
InputNameLabelSetup FormulaOutput Label
1IEEE PF Sign Conventionsqrt(S3*S3+S4*S4) 
2ART41 Result6fund kWtotsqrt(S5*S5+S6*S6) 
3ART41 Result2fund kW1sqrt(S7*S7+S8*S8) 
4ART41 Result3fund kVAR1R1+R2+R3 
5ART40 Result2fund kW2100*If(S1=0,1,If(S4>0,-1,1))*S3/R1%DPF_1
6ART40 Result3fund kVAR2100*If(S1=0,1,If(S6>0,-1,1))*S5/R2%DPF_2
7ART40 Result6fund kW3100*If(S1=0,1,If(S8>0,-1,1))*S7/R3%DPF_3
8ART40 Result7fund kVAR3100*If(S1=0,1,If(S4+S6+S8>0,-1,1))*S2/R4%DPF_tot

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Posted: ‎2019-02-20 03:37 PM

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‎2019-02-20 03:37 PM

- Displacement power factor

Not calculated on the meter by default I believe, could you possibly calculate this from the phase angle of Current Versis phase angle of the voltage?

 

- Average PF

Pf lag and PF Lead Mean from sliding demand window modules.

 

- Working time of the meter

Not sure about this, possibly connect a counter module to clock module new day/hour

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Posted: ‎2019-03-04 02:02 PM

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‎2019-03-04 02:02 PM

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‎2019-03-04 04:04 PM

I'm looking at the (default) ION7650v410 with 7650_FAC-PQ_V4.1.0.0.1 framework

assuming: 4W-WYE volts mode

Displacement PF: My recomendation is to use the fundamental phase angles from the existing HME modules #1 through #6 (3s gapless 4-30 harmonic analysis). In order to compute the 3phase TOTAL displacement PF, you need to also compute the total fundamental powers.

The best implementation I can come up with on the spot uses three new ART modules.

 

   ART40 
InputNameLabelSetup FormulaOutput Label
1HME2 Magnitude 1V2 H1 Mag 3s(S2-S4)*PI/180 
2HME2 Phase 1V2 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3*cos(R1)/1000fund kW2
3HME5 Magnitude 1I2 H1 Mag 3sS1*S3*sin(R1)/1000fund kVAR2
4HME5 Phase 1I2 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3/1000fund kVA2
5HME3 Magnitude 1V3 H1 Mag 3s(S6-S8)*PI/180 
6HME3 Phase 1V3 H1 Ang 3sS5*S7*cos(R5)/1000fund kW3
7HME6 Magnitude 1I3 H1 Mag 3sS5*S7*sin(R5)/1000fund kVAR3
8HME6 Phase 1I3 H1 Ang 3sS5*S7/1000fund kVA3
     
   ART41 
InputNameLabelSetup FormulaOutput Label
1HME1 Magnitude 1V1 H1 Mag 3s(S2-S4)*PI/180 
2HME1 Phase 1V1 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3*cos(R1)/1000fund kW1
3HME4 Magnitude 1I1 H1 Mag 3sS1*S3*sin(R1)/1000fund kVAR1
4HME4 Phase 1I1 H1 Ang 3sS1*S3fund kVA1
5ART40 Result2fund kW2  
6ART40 Result3fund kVAR2R2+S5+S7fund kWtot
7ART40 Result6fund kW3R3+S6+S8fund kVARtot
8ART40 Result7fund kVAR3sqrt(R6*R6+R7*R7)fund kVAtot
     
   ART42 
InputNameLabelSetup FormulaOutput Label
1IEEE PF Sign Conventionsqrt(S3*S3+S4*S4) 
2ART41 Result6fund kWtotsqrt(S5*S5+S6*S6) 
3ART41 Result2fund kW1sqrt(S7*S7+S8*S8) 
4ART41 Result3fund kVAR1R1+R2+R3 
5ART40 Result2fund kW2100*If(S1=0,1,If(S4>0,-1,1))*S3/R1%DPF_1
6ART40 Result3fund kVAR2100*If(S1=0,1,If(S6>0,-1,1))*S5/R2%DPF_2
7ART40 Result6fund kW3100*If(S1=0,1,If(S8>0,-1,1))*S7/R3%DPF_3
8ART40 Result7fund kVAR3100*If(S1=0,1,If(S4+S6+S8>0,-1,1))*S2/R4%DPF_tot
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‎2019-03-04 04:08 PM

For Average PF: do NOT simply use a sliding window demand module to compute a time averaging of the power factor ratio. This does not make sense mathematically to perform an un-weighted average... instead you must divide the time averaged real power [kW] by the time averaged average apparent power [kVA] (and multiply by your preffered sign convention).

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‎2019-03-04 05:09 PM

I do not have the exact framework, but in older ION7650 meters (before V350), there was the "Power Availability Framework".

Looking at the ION Device Template Reference, it may be possible to re-build this. I believe this framework was taken out becuase of processing space so it may need to be trimmed down or possibly other features removed.

https://www.schneider-electric.com/en/download/document/ION_Device_Template_Reference/

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Posted: ‎2019-03-07 01:00 PM

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‎2019-03-07 01:00 PM

@sesa261168_brid - does this give you what you need?


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