Help
  • Explore Community
  • Get Started
  • Ask the Community
  • How-To & Best Practices
  • Contact Support
Notifications
Login / Register
Community
Community
Notifications
close
  • Forums
  • Knowledge Center
  • Events & Webinars
  • Ideas
  • Blogs
Help
Help
  • Explore Community
  • Get Started
  • Ask the Community
  • How-To & Best Practices
  • Contact Support
Login / Register
Sustainability
Sustainability

Join our "Ask Me About" community webinar on May 20th at 9 AM CET and 5 PM CET to explore cybersecurity and monitoring for Data Center and edge IT. Learn about market trends, cutting-edge technologies, and best practices from industry experts.
Register and secure your Critical IT infrastructure

Shipboard and domestic model APC UPS Difference

APC UPS Data Center & Enterprise Solutions Forum

Schneider, APC support forum to share knowledge about installation and configuration for Data Center and Business Power UPSs, Accessories, Software, Services.

cancel
Turn on suggestions
Auto-suggest helps you quickly narrow down your search results by suggesting possible matches as you type.
Showing results for 
Show  only  | Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
  • Home
  • Schneider Electric Community
  • APC UPS, Critical Power, Cooling and Racks
  • APC UPS Data Center & Enterprise Solutions Forum
  • Shipboard and domestic model APC UPS Difference
Options
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Mark Topic as New
  • Mark Topic as Read
  • Float this Topic for Current User
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Printer Friendly Page
Invite a Co-worker
Send a co-worker an invite to the portal.Just enter their email address and we'll connect them to register. After joining, they will belong to the same company.
You have entered an invalid email address. Please re-enter the email address.
This co-worker has already been invited to the Exchange portal. Please invite another co-worker.
Please enter email address
Send Invite Cancel
Invitation Sent
Your invitation was sent.Thanks for sharing Exchange with your co-worker.
Send New Invite Close
Top Experts
User Count
BillP
Administrator BillP Administrator
5060
voidstar_apc
Janeway voidstar_apc
196
Erasmus_apc
Sisko Erasmus_apc
112
TheNotoriousKMP_apc
Sisko TheNotoriousKMP_apc
108
View All

Invite a Colleague

Found this content useful? Share it with a Colleague!

Invite a Colleague Invite
Solved Go to Solution
Back to APC UPS Data Center & Enterprise Solutions Forum
Solved
BillP
Administrator BillP Administrator
Administrator

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

0 Likes
6
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

Shipboard and domestic model APC UPS Difference

Hi,

The following link tells the difference between shipboard and domestics UPS.

Frequently Asked Questions

The following explanation is not clear for me;

"As a result, it is possible that 180Vrms may be

passed to the load when switching to battery (120Vac from the UPS inverter on

one phase and 60 volts from the ship on the second phase)."


I can understand 120Vac from UPS inverter on one phase. But, what is 60Vac which comes from the ship? How?

Labels
  • Labels:
  • Smart-UPS & Symmetra LX | RM
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

  • All forum topics
  • Previous Topic
  • Next Topic

Accepted Solutions
wayne_i_apc
Lieutenant wayne_i_apc
Lieutenant

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:35 AM

0 Likes
0
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:35 AM

As a "plan B" to a shipboard UPS model, do you think a carefully configured isolation transformer between the ship power and the UPS input could be a solution to the "missing" neutral of the ship power? When I say "carefully configured" I mean "floating" (not ground referenced) primary and "bonded" (connected to ground) neutral secondary, and of course, properly sized for KVA (power) capacity. Isolation transformers are NOT cheap, but might be a work-around as Erdemk suggests for maintenance, etc. Clearly, a domestic UPS directly connected to shipboard power is asking for trouble.

See Answer In Context

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Replies 6
BillP
Administrator BillP Administrator
Administrator

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

0 Likes
0
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

From what I understand, it is because ships especially large ones uses Delta Power instead of the regular residential outlet configuration.

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

voidstar_apc
Janeway voidstar_apc
Janeway

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

0 Likes
0
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

Residential power has one hot leg (120V) and two grounded (0V) legs (neutral and ground). When switched to battery, residential UPSes produce 120V on the hot leg, and pass neutral through for safety reasons. That means the load sees 120V between hot and neutral.

Delta power systems have two hot legs (60V each) and one ground (0V). Loads still see 120V between hot and neutral in this system. When a residential UPS switches to battery, it produces 120V on the hot leg (not the 60V used in this system), and passes the neutral (possibly 60V from the ship) directly to the load. So under this condition the total can be as high as 120V+60V = 180V between hot and neutral.

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

voidstar_apc
Janeway voidstar_apc
Janeway

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

0 Likes
0
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

That's a good idea -- a properly configured transformer powering the UPS sounds reasonable to me. I came across this from Powerstar.

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

BillP
Administrator BillP Administrator
Administrator

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

0 Likes
0
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:36 AM

"So under this condition the total can be as high as 120V+60V = 180V between hot and neutral."

Is this a regular 180 VAC, pure sin wave voltage or not?

Assume that all the systems that supplied by UPS can accept 100-240 VAC power. In this case, can the following be declared easyly?


"domestics UPS can also be used in ships if the system supplied by UPS are in 100-240 VAC power input range?

The reason to ask such a question is to find whether domestics UPS can also be used as shipboard UPS in case of maintainance issues or unsuccessfull procurement phase.

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

voidstar_apc
Janeway voidstar_apc
Janeway

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:35 AM

0 Likes
0
1312
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:35 AM

erdemk wrote:

"So under this condition the total can be as high as 120V+60V = 180V between hot and neutral."

Is this a regular 180 VAC, pure sin wave voltage or not?

Yes, providing you're using a pure-sine wave SmartUPS and ship power is not drifting in frequency.

Assume that all the systems that supplied by UPS can accept 100-240 VAC power. In this case, can the following be declared easyly?


"domestics UPS can also be used in ships if the system supplied by UPS are in 100-240 VAC power input range?

You could probably get away with it, but according to the FAQ, APC doesn't support that configuration.


One reason I'd be wary is the phase and frequency of the ship power and the UPS inverter will match when transferring to battery, but will drift thereafter. When the ship power and the inverter are completely out of phase (ie, completely in-phase with the "neutral" hot leg), the output will be 120V - 60V = 60V which is below the 100VAC input range. Maybe you're never on battery long enough for that to be an issue, but if it's sensitive enough to be on a UPS, then why risk it?


Edit: Just wanted to add a picture of frequency drift.


Here's what the voltage looks like at the load when frequency of the UPS and ship power drift by 0.3 Hz, which is a lot, but makes a good picture:

1621_frequency_drift.png


The two voltage sources in the graph are 60 Hz and 60.3 Hz. At a timescale of tens of milliseconds, the waveform appears as a clean 60 Hz sine wave. On a longer time scale, the amplitude of the voltage appears to cycle between 120+60 = 180VAC, and 120-60 = 60VAC. Cycling occurs at the beat frequency... 60.3 Hz - 60Hz = 0.3 Hz which is how fast the two voltage sources go into phase and subtract from each other and come back out of phase and add to each other.


So to me it seems pretty easy to go below the 100VAC limit if ship power is available during a transfer to battery. But of course the time it takes for this to occur depends on amount of drift.

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

wayne_i_apc
Lieutenant wayne_i_apc
Lieutenant

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:35 AM

0 Likes
0
1313
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-06-29 07:16 AM . Last Modified: ‎2024-03-12 04:35 AM

As a "plan B" to a shipboard UPS model, do you think a carefully configured isolation transformer between the ship power and the UPS input could be a solution to the "missing" neutral of the ship power? When I say "carefully configured" I mean "floating" (not ground referenced) primary and "bonded" (connected to ground) neutral secondary, and of course, properly sized for KVA (power) capacity. Isolation transformers are NOT cheap, but might be a work-around as Erdemk suggests for maintenance, etc. Clearly, a domestic UPS directly connected to shipboard power is asking for trouble.

Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Preview Exit Preview

never-displayed

You must be signed in to add attachments

never-displayed

 
To The Top!

Forums

  • APC UPS Data Center Backup Solutions
  • EcoStruxure IT
  • EcoStruxure Geo SCADA Expert
  • Metering & Power Quality
  • Schneider Electric Wiser

Knowledge Center

Events & webinars

Ideas

Blogs

Get Started

  • Ask the Community
  • Community Guidelines
  • Community User Guide
  • How-To & Best Practice
  • Experts Leaderboard
  • Contact Support
Brand-Logo
Subscribing is a smart move!
You can subscribe to this board after you log in or create your free account.
Forum-Icon

Create your free account or log in to subscribe to the board - and gain access to more than 10,000+ support articles along with insights from experts and peers.

Register today for FREE

Register Now

Already have an account? Login

Terms & Conditions Privacy Notice Change your Cookie Settings © 2025 Schneider Electric

This is a heading

With achievable small steps, users progress and continually feel satisfaction in task accomplishment.

Usetiful Onboarding Checklist remembers the progress of every user, allowing them to take bite-sized journeys and continue where they left.

of