Help
  • Explore Community
  • Get Started
  • Ask the Community
  • How-To & Best Practices
  • Contact Support
Notifications
Login / Register
Community
Community
Notifications
close
  • Forums
  • Knowledge Center
  • Events & Webinars
  • Ideas
  • Blogs
Help
Help
  • Explore Community
  • Get Started
  • Ask the Community
  • How-To & Best Practices
  • Contact Support
Login / Register
Sustainability
Sustainability

Join our "Ask Me About" community webinar on May 20th at 9 AM CET and 5 PM CET to explore cybersecurity and monitoring for Data Center and edge IT. Learn about market trends, cutting-edge technologies, and best practices from industry experts.
Register and secure your Critical IT infrastructure

Incoming current on a VSD is lower than the motor current

Solutions for Motor Management

Get support to configure, troubleshoot, update or upgrade your motor management solution built with Altivar variable speed drives and Tesys devices to start, control, protect and monitor Low Voltage and Medium Voltage motors and loads, covering direct start, soft start and variable speed control.

cancel
Turn on suggestions
Auto-suggest helps you quickly narrow down your search results by suggesting possible matches as you type.
Showing results for 
Show  only  | Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
  • Home
  • Schneider Electric Community
  • Industrial Automation
  • Solutions for Motor Management
  • Incoming current on a VSD is lower than the motor current
Options
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Mark Topic as New
  • Mark Topic as Read
  • Float this Topic for Current User
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Printer Friendly Page
Invite a Co-worker
Send a co-worker an invite to the portal.Just enter their email address and we'll connect them to register. After joining, they will belong to the same company.
You have entered an invalid email address. Please re-enter the email address.
This co-worker has already been invited to the Exchange portal. Please invite another co-worker.
Please enter email address
Send Invite Cancel
Invitation Sent
Your invitation was sent.Thanks for sharing Exchange with your co-worker.
Send New Invite Close
Top Experts
User Count
BJacqz
Commander BJacqz Commander
48
LeoLazzaro
Lieutenant LeoLazzaro Lieutenant
16
PriscilaCunha22
Lieutenant JG PriscilaCunha22 Lieutenant JG
12
Bastian_Schmitz
Admiral Bastian_Schmitz Admiral
9
View All

Invite a Colleague

Found this content useful? Share it with a Colleague!

Invite a Colleague Invite
Solved Go to Solution
Back to Solutions for Motor Management
Solved
ER
Crewman ER
Crewman

Posted: ‎2021-03-26 12:21 AM

3 Likes
4
4406
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-03-26 12:21 AM

Incoming current on a VSD is lower than the motor current

Hi community, I noticed on a drive installation that the incoming current (line side of VSD) is lower than the motor current. How this could be?

Labels
  • Labels:
  • Training & How to
  • Tags:
  • english
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

  • All forum topics
  • Previous Topic
  • Next Topic

Accepted Solutions
BJacqz
Commander BJacqz Commander
Commander

Posted: ‎2021-03-26 06:09 AM . Last Modified: ‎2021-03-26 06:10 AM

5 Likes
0
4402
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-03-26 06:09 AM . Last Modified: ‎2021-03-26 06:10 AM

Hello, the incoming current of a drive is basically totally different shape than the output current.

output current to motor is made from a PWM voltage signal, this voltage signal allows to create a nearly sinewave signal for current. the motor current is then very close to a sinewave. 

Regarding input signals, and due to the input bridge constitution of the drive, the input current request will have different shape than a sinewave.

Capture_20210326_2.PNG

The value of this current will be directly linked to the line supply impedance.

It means that a high power transfomer has low impedance compared to a small one.

In this case it is possible  to add some line impedance (choke) and this will reduce the value of input current.

Bruno Jacqz, Drives training leader

See Answer In Context

  • Tags:
  • altivar
  • Altivar line current
  • input impedance
  • input transformer
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Replies 4
BJacqz
Commander BJacqz Commander
Commander

Posted: ‎2021-03-26 06:09 AM . Last Modified: ‎2021-03-26 06:10 AM

5 Likes
0
4403
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-03-26 06:09 AM . Last Modified: ‎2021-03-26 06:10 AM

Hello, the incoming current of a drive is basically totally different shape than the output current.

output current to motor is made from a PWM voltage signal, this voltage signal allows to create a nearly sinewave signal for current. the motor current is then very close to a sinewave. 

Regarding input signals, and due to the input bridge constitution of the drive, the input current request will have different shape than a sinewave.

Capture_20210326_2.PNG

The value of this current will be directly linked to the line supply impedance.

It means that a high power transfomer has low impedance compared to a small one.

In this case it is possible  to add some line impedance (choke) and this will reduce the value of input current.

Bruno Jacqz, Drives training leader
  • Tags:
  • altivar
  • Altivar line current
  • input impedance
  • input transformer
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

ReinhardK
Ensign ReinhardK Ensign
Ensign

Posted: ‎2021-03-28 11:54 PM

4 Likes
0
4385
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-03-28 11:54 PM

Motor current 300A and a Input current on VSD side of only 150A - yes, such a behavior sounds a bit wired in the first step.
But we need to consider, that a VSD runs a motor with variable frequency and voltage.
Full speed 50Hz/400V, at half speed 25Hz/200V.

The power is defined as  P = V * I * 1,73 * cosϕ * η; 
When considering, that power must be equal on in and output, the VSD input current will be half of its output
current at half motor speed (when output voltage is half)  

P (in)= 400V * 150A  = P (out) = 200V * 300A  

This leads to the effect, that the VSD line side current is a linear function of the motor speed.

  • Zero speed - near to zero current (only the losses are covered) 
  • Nominal speed - nominal current (at nominal load)


Therefore we also find no inrush current effect at starting compared with DOL or Y/D start. 

  • Tags:
  • english
  • input current
  • inrush current
  • starting current
  • vsd
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

TC
Crewman TC Crewman
Crewman

Posted: ‎2021-03-30 10:00 PM

2 Likes
0
4371
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-03-30 10:00 PM

It is a normal observation because at rated load, power factor of VSD (~0.95) is higher than motor (~0.8). At low/no load, motor power factor is even lower (~0.3), whereas VSD power factor still hold quite well (~0.7).

 

 

  • Tags:
  • english
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Anonymous user
Not applicable

Posted: ‎2021-03-31 11:23 AM

1 Like
0
4363
  • Mark as New
  • Bookmark
  • Subscribe
  • Mute
  • Subscribe to RSS Feed
  • Permalink
  • Print
  • Email to a Friend
  • Report Inappropriate Content

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Posted: ‎2021-03-31 11:23 AM

To explain it very simply:
The power (P) must be the same on both sides. (motor and mains side)
On the motor side I change the output voltage, on the mains side I must change the current because the voltage is fixed!
This means on motor side:

0 revolutions 0 volts
half speed; half voltage (200V)
full speed; full voltage (400V)
Since on the input side (mains side) the voltage is fixed, the current must change if the power remains the same!

Simplified example : P=UxI
Motor side 10A                                                                     Mains side
0 speed -> 0V = P= UxI = 0Vx10A = 0W                              I=P/U =0W/400V = 0A
50 % speed -> 200V = P= UxI = 200Vx10A = 2000W          I=P/U =2000W/400V = 50A
100 % speed -> 400V = P= UxI = 400Vx10A = 4000W        I=P/U =4000W/400V = 10A

 

  • Tags:
  • drive
  • english
  • mains current
  • motor current
Reply

Link copied. Please paste this link to share this article on your social media post.

Preview Exit Preview

never-displayed

You must be signed in to add attachments

never-displayed

 
To The Top!

Forums

  • APC UPS Data Center Backup Solutions
  • EcoStruxure IT
  • EcoStruxure Geo SCADA Expert
  • Metering & Power Quality
  • Schneider Electric Wiser

Knowledge Center

Events & webinars

Ideas

Blogs

Get Started

  • Ask the Community
  • Community Guidelines
  • Community User Guide
  • How-To & Best Practice
  • Experts Leaderboard
  • Contact Support
Brand-Logo
Subscribing is a smart move!
You can subscribe to this board after you log in or create your free account.
Forum-Icon

Create your free account or log in to subscribe to the board - and gain access to more than 10,000+ support articles along with insights from experts and peers.

Register today for FREE

Register Now

Already have an account? Login

Terms & Conditions Privacy Notice Change your Cookie Settings © 2025 Schneider Electric

This is a heading

With achievable small steps, users progress and continually feel satisfaction in task accomplishment.

Usetiful Onboarding Checklist remembers the progress of every user, allowing them to take bite-sized journeys and continue where they left.

of