Asset Advisor Power Monitoring?

[SaulEspinoza]

Can Asset Advisor monitor Power? Voltage, Amperage, etc. 

Can Asset Advisor gather the information from a power monitor? 

Being able to gather the temperature as well as the power information would provide more insight into the health of an asset. 

I have seen some information that Asset Advisor can monitor a MV VFD. How does it accomplish the power monitoring? What does the architecture look like? 

Regards,

Saul

[Loic_Baque · Accepted solution]

Hi Saul,

Can Asset Advisor monitor Power? Voltage, Amperage, etc. 

• YES Asset Advisor can monitor many kind of data, the most used power, currents, voltage …

Can Asset Advisor gather the information from a power monitor? 

•  YES, the key point is AA must receive this data coming from a gateway:

Device (modbus most of the time) ==> gateway ==> Asset Advisor

• The gateway must be able to read the data from the device (power monitor in your example) and forward it to Asset Advisor
  By “read the data”, I mean know the register table of this device, the unit of each datapoint…

Being able to gather the temperature as well as the power information would provide more insight into the health of an asset. 

• YES, AA can associate temperature to an monitored asset.

I have seen some information that Asset Advisor can monitor a MV VFD. How does it accomplish the power monitoring? What does the architecture look like? 

• I don’t have information to reply here, but I hope someone else can reply soon.

Perhaps, this link can help you:

https://www.se.com/ww/en/download/document/998-20671877_EAA_Drives/?ssr=true

Best regards,

[SaulEspinoza]

Thank you Loic. Attached you will find the slide of the ATV6000. 

It would be interesting to find out what the architecture looks like. 

ATV6000 Modbus TCP--->Panel Server--->EAA?

[Victor_Marina · Accepted solution]

Hi Saul,

Connectivity for ATV6000 is made by Com'X, which is installed and configured at factory, not in brownfield once equipment is shipped to customer site. They keep using Com'X by the time all models are created, tested and validated for Panel server. Any ATV6000 ordered with EAA option gets 1 Com'X inside, with all relevant signals. Picture you shared is definition for connectivity with full scope of options. 
Regards... Victor Marina

[SaulEspinoza]

Victor,

Thank you for your reply. 

Is it safe to assume that the ATV6000 communicates to Com'X via Modbus to get the input power and output power information? 

Regards,

Saul

[SaulEspinoza]

Loic,

For clarification purpose.

Power Monitor = Power Meter like the PM8244. Do you know what data points EAA reads from the Power Meter? I have attached the Modbus Map for your reference. 

[Loic_Baque · Accepted solution]

Hi,

After a check, I confirm  the ATV6000 is supported by PanelServer  (PAS600 &  PAS800).

There is a  custom model, that allow  PanelServer  to monitor all  useful  data.

The architecture you first asked is possible yet:

ATV6000 Modbus TCP--->Panel Server--->EAA

About the PM8244, yes there is also a custom  model  for  Panel Server allowing :

PM8000 --->Panel Server--->EAA

Important :  the custom models I talk here are designed for EAA use, so not all the modbus map are  monitored, only the data that EAA need.

[Loic_Baque · Accepted solution]

ATV6000 Modbus TCP--->Panel Server--->EAA

About the PM8244, yes there is also a custom  model  for  Panel Server allowing :

PM8000 --->Panel Server--->EAA

Important :  the custom models I talk here are designed for EAA use, so not all the modbus map are  monitored, only the data that EAA need.

[Victor_Marina · Accepted solution]

Hi Saul, 

In addition to Loic comment, ATV6000 Drive has their own means to measure current, voltage, energy and power. Following table shows measurements ATV6000 Drive can push into gateway (Com'X or PaS), in turn, into Asset Advisor application (label with Capital letter code correspond with ATV internal coding, same available in ATV6000 manual): 

Drive rate - NCV

Drive rate voltage- VCAL

Electrical energy Input GWh – IE3

Electrical energy Input kWh – IE1

Electrical energy Input MWh – IE2

Electrical energy Input TWh – IE4

Electrical energy Input Wh – IE0

Electrical energy Output GWh – OE3

Electrical energy Output kWh – OE1

Electrical energy Output MWh – OE2

Electrical energy Output TWh – OE4

Electrical energy Output Wh – OE0

Main estimated current phase 1

Main estimated current phase 2

Main estimated current phase 3

Main frequency - FAC

Main unbalance voltage - UMV

Main voltage - ULN

Main voltage phase 1

Main voltage phase 2

Main voltage phase 3

Mains active power P – IPRW

Mains apparent power S - ISRW

Mains reactive power Q - IQRW

Power factor Cos - PWF

Power input mains current – PIMC

Power input mains voltage – PIMV

Power input transformer power - PITP

Power output Cell Current - PoCC

Power output cell number - PoCN

Power output Cell type - PoCT

Power output cell voltage – PoCV

I hope this clarifies your question about how Power/energy  information 

[SaulEspinoza]

Loic,

Is there a list of compatible 3rd party Power Monitors that are compatible with Asset Advisor? 

Example: GE PQM II Power Quality Meter, Eaton IQ DP-4000

[Victor_Marina]

Hi Saul,
Asset Advisor is not designed to deliver Power Monitoring, but is compatible with Power Monitoring systems and Power meters, as far as they communicate with Modbus protocol, and gather that information.

There is a service named Power Advisor that better address that domain, with a system level approach.

Reason to connect those solutions or devices to Asset Advisor is to gather measurements required for the asset condition and performance analytics delivered (for instance the current per phase in thermal points, or voltage levels for aging computation). Once we gather measurements like voltage, current, load factor or even THD, we can display in our dashboards, and CSH experts would take them into account for the remote monitoring process they are accountable for, while Asset Advisor analysis is still asset centric. CSH can make conclusions system wide to complete their recommendations (like an overvoltage originated at utility level impacting multiple equipment measured across the system...).

In case of ATV6000, I recommend you to contact Offer manager for ESP for Drives (Nabil Hussain Khilji) to get in deeper discussion.   

EcoStruxure Power teams are already working on the new solution that will bring together both domains Power and Asset management, shortly. It is the project known as New Advisor and will support EcoCare membership contracts. Stay tunned to EcoCare channels to know more!