Trigger scene in C Bus 360 sensor

[nigel_greenwave]

Hi,

How can I trigger a scene (scene is within the sensor) from a C Bus 360 sensor from the off from the timer?

E.g. scene must only activate once the movement timer has timed out.

[Digby_Brock]

Hi Nigel,

I may be mistaken, but generally i dont think its possible for a sensor to trigger scenes stored within it ( i htink its to prevent circular triggering ).

Do you have another device on the network that can stroe scenes?The sensor can be setup to recall the stored scene from another device.
Create your scene in the other device and assign a trigger group and action selector. Use a value in the action selector that equates to a c-bus % level. easy ones are 255 ( 100%) and 0 (0%)

Open the sensor and on the Unit tab set the secondary application to trigger control.

Set one of the 8 virtual keys to "S" ( secondary ) and then select the trigger group used for the scene saved on the other device.
On the Key Functions tab change the corrodponding key number functions to short press to recall 1 ( only if you are also trigger a scene ON, if not just set it as retrigger ), short release retrigger, lone press idle, long release retrigger.

On the Blocks tab set the recall 1 value to the trigger groups action selector for the ON scene ( ie 100% ) and the recall 2 value to the trigger groups action selector for the OFF scene ( ie 0% ) set the timer time as required and set the expiary to recall 2.
Note if using multiple sensors, say in an open office space, the sensors dont hand over the timer between eachother when using the trigger application.

Give the above a test and see how you go.

[Mr_C]

Hi Nigel 
Sorry to answer your question with questions, But can you inform me of the following details. 

Model of C-Bus sensor,  in 360 Degree we have 5753L & 5753PEIRL in flush mount and 5754ODPE and 5754ODPEIRL as flush mount,    The sensors with PEIRL in the part number having some different features so it would help to know what device. 
Additionally,  what is the desired out come for using a Scene on a time out event.   in other words what effect do you want for the customer/application,   an example could be that you want the setting of a all off scene that also indicates the same scene as active on a wall plate. 

Also what other devices do you have in the project that are operating the same loads as the desired scene for that you want to use in the timeout event?.  If these are wall plates,  can you provide the model numbers or age, as my answer below could change to support features available in our latest wall plates.

The Short answer is no a Sensor can not use its own sensing actions for Scenes that are stored within, in the current sensors available for C-Bus today  This will potentially change in future models.  Scenes were introduced into sensors to be operated by Infrared remote controls, like a virtual wall plate, thus they do not quite tie in with your desired application. 

However there are other options to get what you might want.  and with your answer to the above i may support in getting the best outcome based on the devices you have. 

Two things you do have, with the current sensors, 

A Sensor can have time out actions for up to 8 C-Bus Group Addresses,  by using Blocks to assign the same Key /sensor actions to multiple blocks,   Each block has its own time out value and its own time out action,
if you want the Groups to go to a different level you can use the timeout action of recall 1 or recall 2,  a unique level for recall 1 or 2 can be assigned for each block and if you want ramp rates,  for recall 1 there is a ramp recall 1 option that will use the time defined under the Global tab for Ramp 2 the default is 12 seconds,  if setting the level of the Group to Off you can also use the Ramp off as timeout actions, this will also use the Ramp 2 time,   So basically you can have the same outcome as a scene for up to 8 groups from within the sensors.  assuming your not looking for other aligned functions with Key input units for example or some other part of the system that needs to report the status of the scene. 

2nd Option,   You can assign the Trigger application to the secondary application of the sensor. 
Create a Scene in another device (key input unit, eDLT or controller or even another sensor) with a Trigger group and Action Selector assigned,  change the sensor you want to trigger this scene from to use the secondary application assign the trigger group for the sensor.  and use the timeout option as recall 1 with the recall level set to the action selector level of the scene you want to trigger. stored in the remote device.   
In this scenario the sensor on time out will set the Trigger group to the assigned action Selector level,  the device configured with this scene  will respond to the trigger event by sending the scene onto the bus. 
Added advantage of this is that if you have assigned the scene to say a wall plate,  then the wall plate will indicate that the scene is active when triggered from the sensor,