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Posted: ‎2020-09-03 09:51 AM . Last Modified: ‎2020-11-25 04:11 AM

Continuous Thermal Monitoring in Low Voltage equipments?

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I've seen many information regarding Continuous Thermal Monitoring (using TH110 sensors + apps) for Medium Voltage Switchgears but I wonder if it exists the same devices to monitor temperature in a LV equipment and then reduce infrared inspections and protect against overheating.

If yes, where could I find more insights.

 

Thanks for your answer.

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Posted: ‎2020-09-08 03:30 AM

Hello, 

 

We have already installed the sensors in several cases on copper bars, near critical components.

The question if this could change the infrared inspections: 

Yes. The advantage is that you have a continious measurement in stead of a one moment picture. 

The question is better if you assurance will agree with this changed control procedure. 

 

Please check the link below for a practical case.

 

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Posted: ‎2020-09-26 11:06 AM

Hello Charlie, 

 

For busways you can use the CL110. 

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https://www.se.com/ww/en/product/FSRACOBUSWAYCL110/busway-jonction-box-upgrade-with-2-cl110/

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Posted: ‎2020-09-07 08:51 AM

Hello,

yes the Thermal Sensor TH110 can be also installed in Blokset and Okken LV equipment. 

You can publish the date on the Software Power Monitoring Expert .

How can we help you more ?

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Posted: ‎2020-09-08 03:30 AM

Hello, 

 

We have already installed the sensors in several cases on copper bars, near critical components.

The question if this could change the infrared inspections: 

Yes. The advantage is that you have a continious measurement in stead of a one moment picture. 

The question is better if you assurance will agree with this changed control procedure. 

 

Please check the link below for a practical case.

 

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/stijncuppens_teamwork-oneabrstepabraheadabrinabrservice-activity-6696...

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Posted: ‎2020-09-08 07:54 AM

Thanks a lot @Fabien_Mastrot and @SCPP for your insights.

 

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Posted: ‎2020-09-24 02:06 AM

Hi,

Few times, I have done installation of high power busway, from Schneider and other manufacturer. One of the key points where a problem linked to overheat can occur is in the joints. I was thinking that maybe this sensor could be also of use in this cases. Are you planning to include it as an option in your busway offer? Could it be used in busways from other manufacturers? Thanks in advance

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Posted: ‎2020-09-26 11:06 AM

Hello Charlie, 

 

For busways you can use the CL110. 

Check 

https://www.se.com/ww/en/product/FSRACOBUSWAYCL110/busway-jonction-box-upgrade-with-2-cl110/

Kind regards.

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Posted: ‎2020-12-02 07:33 AM

Dear community,

 

Regarding thermal monitoring solutions (to reduce infrared thermal inspections), I’ve been talked about another technology that uses small infrared permanent sensors positioned inside the switchgear in front of each busbar.

 

Does someone already used this technology for thermal monitoring needs?

What is your experience?

What do you think of this solution?

Is it easy to install?

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

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Posted: ‎2020-12-09 06:59 AM

Hello,

How do you monitor heating 24/7 using this technology?

I mean: is there any native supervision software or is it compatible with others (such as the Schneider Electric’s one as example)?

Is it wireless connected to the management system?

What would be the advantages?

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Posted: ‎2020-12-09 12:54 PM . Last Modified: ‎2020-12-09 12:57 PM

Hello, 

 

 

Correct. You can get 24/7 data out of the thermal sensors. They connect with wireless zigby to a concentrator and can than be connected to a network. (Ecostruxure or other)

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Posted: ‎2020-12-09 11:15 PM

Hello @SCPP 

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

However, it seems that you are talking about Schneider Electric (I can see their sensors into your picture 😁 ) and I guess @Gingko_Elec was wondering about the technology (infrared local sensors) I was mentionning previously.

 

Do you know about it?

Any thought?

 

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Posted: ‎2020-12-09 11:22 PM

Hello, 

 

Local infrared sensors I don't have any experience with. 

We have already placed heat stickers, but this still needs visual inspection to get info out of it, and it doesn't create an alarm to warn you.

 

IMG_20190326_133012.jpg 

 

Greetings 

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Posted: ‎2020-12-14 11:51 PM

Thanks for sharing your experience @SCPP .

 

Indeed, it seems that the "sticker" solution is not as relevant.

 

I am looking for a solution that reduces infrared inspection while alarming when there is an issue.

 

The infrared "local" sensors technology seemed easy to implement but too many questions... too few answers.... 😁

 

 

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Posted: ‎2023-02-20 12:17 PM

Hi, Can CL110 attach to the Canalis busway with the magnets? & the second thing, do we actually have the analytics (with compensation factors since the sensor is outside not inside the copper/aluminum) to analyze the data correctly in EAA?

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