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EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Welcome to the EcoStruxure Panel Server Launch Page!

 

Panel Server is the new generation of gateways, replacing the current ranges of PowerTag Link, PowerTag Link HD, Com'X 210 and 510, Link 150.  The launch is happening by waves from May 2022 to 2023.

 

You will find below a summary of key Panel Server assets.

Along time, new assets become available, and this post is updated consistently. So, stay tuned! 

 

The intent of this community is also to let you interact with us and other users worldwide: you can post your questions and feedback here - make sure that you use the "EcoStruxure Panel Server" label for your post.

 

 

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Looking forward for reading your questions about Panel Servers in this Forum, and bring you Expert answers.

 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello @Madleen_Laclef,

 

Thank you for sharing this information with the community.

 

See Answer In Context

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi @Madleen_Laclef,

 

Thank you for sharing this information with the community.

 

See Answer In Context

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello @Madleen_Laclef,

 

Thank you for sharing this information with the community.

 

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Hi @Madleen_Laclef,

 

Thank you for sharing this information with the community.

 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Do we know if these new gateways will support ION Pass Through for ION Protocol?

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi, the Panel Server will only support the modbus map of the ION devices.

 

FYI - we have added a FAQ page in the "Panel Server catalogue, list of supported devices..." excel file.

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi @Madleen_Laclef  EcoXperts can only access the ext presentation.

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Grant
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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello Grant, 

Thanks for your interest, for the moment we only have this "external" presentation that we are ready to share with EcoXperts, we will be able to share more with you shortly. Thanks for you for your patience!

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Looks good, however one question, all models look like the have WiFi/Bluetooth, what is our option for a gateway where the client will not accept wireless technologies on their site ?

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi Rich, good question, and I know that this is a common requirement for customers such as datacenters.

In the Panel Server you will have the option to disable all wireless communications (wifi, bluetooth, wireless metering connection), as well as ports or protocols not in used. 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Madleen, Hi

 

Thanks for that, that's exactly the market we are dealing with, unfortunately i  don't think disabling it will will suffice for the DC clients, for instance we have to order the special Micrologic X with the the wireless communications factory disabled, they just will not allow anything with wireless communications capabilities on the site, disabled or not.

 

The EGX150 is a great product and works well, we must have used in excess of 1000 on one site alone, I really think there needs to be a basic version with no wireless.

 

Cheers

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello @Rich_Lannaghan ,


The MTZ Trip Unit Micrologic Xi has a specific hardware to disable any wireless communication.
For the new generation of Panel Server : I do not know if any specific hardware will be designed for the moment (it seems not planed for 2021).

 

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Romain POLETTE - Solution architect - France Operation
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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Romain, Hi

 

Correct, we use the Xi device for several clients, therefore there is no chance they will accept a gateway device with wireless capabilities based on this, in fact we have already had this confirmed by a client who has seen the panel server.

 

Regards

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

@Rich_Lannaghan , 

In fact it will depend on the customer.

I have seen some datacenters that are using PowerTag Energy sensors and Smartlink or PowerTag Link Gateways integrated in PDUs or Tap Off to monitor Power / Energy their assets.

 

So requirements concerning Wireless are not the same for all datacenters.

 

Regards.

Romain POLETTE - Solution architect - France Operation
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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Romain

 

Of course, i understand that and i can only speak for the DC clients we work with, which are one of the largest CoLo's in the UK and one of the largest global CoLo's, neither will have wireless on site, we may be able to educate them but i doubt it, as i say one has seen the panel server and already stated that it will not be accepted.

 

It's not an issue as there is plenty of gateways on the market that we can use for these clients, we would rather keep everything Schneider but if that's not possible then we have to use another gateway.

 

Cheers

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Hi Rich and Romain,

 

I join your dicussion😊

@ Rich: To convince customer, you can explain them that we have several datacenter based on PowerTag system  (Bankia, Ixcelerate, Khazna...). 14000 PowerTags in Khazna. Thanks to its small footprint (no communication wiring/ mounted direcly on the circuit breaker without impact on din rail)  It is really an efficient solution  to monitor a huge number of feeders.  

 

@ All: because the solution is currently based on PowerTag Link without possibility to connect an  external antenna, we stop to promote the installation in busway and in Canalis Tap-off. However some references of Panel server will offer the possibility to connect an external antenna and  it will probably an opportunity to validate and restart this type of setup!

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Dear,

 

why the internal document cannot be accessible and the leaflet is empty ?

 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello Arsyad,

Thanks for pointing this out, I have corrected the link to the leaflet and you should now be able to access it: https://schneider-electric.box.com/s/rgccw9qmlc1q0vqibxkjyljo1a7cycmt 

At the moment the documents that are marked as "internal" are only accessible to schneider teams, we will soon open them to Ecoxperts once they are finalized.

 

Thanks for your interest.

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello @Madleen_Laclef ,

 

Would it be possible to update this table : https://schneider-electric.box.com/s/p9nfozwj2efgdfcskj4q6r0dv0yyr690

 

It is becoming completely fuzzy !

Thanking in advance,

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Hi,

Could a link to the software required to commission digital inputs be included in the above?

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello @swil , 

Please check this new thread.
https://community.exchange.se.com/t5/Gateways-and-Energy-Servers/EcoStruxure-Panel-Server-Edge-1-2/m...

 

Regards.

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi @Madleen_Laclef ,

 

With new launch new expectation and challenges come.

Curious customer always want to see the capability of the device so, is there any available demo web page which can be use to demonstrate Universal Panel Server like other gateway have

 

Com'X510

https://comx510.myenergyserver.com/

 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

NO Panel Support does not support ION protocol.

Panel server support Modbus TCP/IP protocol.

Is is also indicated in roadMap that BacNet will be added but it is for future version and not available today

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EcoStruxure Panel Server

 

Will the PAS devices support the Power Tag Link Displays as a replacement for the original Power Tag Link Gateways?

 

This is a critical requirement we are to use the PAS instead of the Power Tag Link Gateways.

 

@AndersonBarzan 

 

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So is this the death of ION via serial?

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Please provide details of tested levels of stability for connections to devices for logging. E.g is it equivalent to the ComXs - slower as devices are added. It would be good to have similar information to the attached images.

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Waoh ! I forgot those documents....

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi Madleen,

 

Would you elaborate the following FAQ:"

Panel Server does not directly connect to Power Advisor, Panel Server connects to PME which provides data to Power Advisor.

"

What exactly "connects to PME" means?

 

Does it include LogInserter functionality, or just Real-Time data?

 

Best regards,

Bojan

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello @Bojan , 

PME stands for Power Monitoring Expert.

Power Advisor is compatible with the data format of PME. Panel Server cannot push data to Power Advisor.

 

Regards,  

 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Looks like if specific serially connected ION meters have newer firmware ION protocol can be read by PME/ION setup if protocol is set to modbus RTU. @Charles_Murison provided this link in another post

 

 

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

thanks @swil  (and @Charles_Murison )

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How to connect Panel server with RS232 cable?

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hello Samart,

 

There is no native RS232 Connectivity on Panel Server .

The solution is to use the native RS485 connectivity of PAS600 and to add an external third party RS485<->RS232 bidirectional converter.

 

I cannot advise especially a model/reference because we have not test this archi.

 

Best regards 

 

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Hi @Samart_Ploypradab , 

Unlike the Link150 => Panel Server cannot manage RS232 communication.

 

Regards, 

 

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1. Will SFTP publishing be enabled in PAS800 Panel Servers? (previously I thought SFTP was a feature of PAS800)

2. Can instructions on setting up HTTPS file transfer publishing from one or more PAS800 servers to a PME server be provided? 

3. Can instructions on copying PAS800 server logged csv data from PME server to PME server ION database be provided? (i.e. ETL tool configuration for the PAS800 csv files to backfill to PME database where data gaps exist)

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Re: EcoStruxure Panel Server: Our new Generation of Gateways

Hi @swil ,

1. You mentioned PAS800 twice, I guess you wanted to ask about PAS600. The answer is: SFTP publishing is planned for both of them but with a difference:

  - as an Energy Server, PAS800 will allow you to log 3-years worth of data in its internal memory. You'll be able to publish this data and after that it will still remain inside the gateway to be viewed via emendded web pages.

  - PAS600 has a 1-month buffer of memory used for sending data for cloud applications (this is to protect cloud publication from connection issues). It will be possible to use SFTP publication for this data, but once published it will get flushed. Also, PAS600 will not allow you to view this historical data via web pages.

Please note that SFTP publishing is not available yet, it is planned for v1.5 firmware release.

 

2. At this point HTTPS is not planned for file transfer between PME and PAS.

 

3. As of today (v1.3.2) there is no such guide available, as the feature required for such application is not available yet (SFTP publication, planned for v1.5). But you are correct, ETL is the tool for that, one would need to set up an ETL job to take data from the CSV and put it into ION_Data.

 

BR

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